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Thrive

Interview with Foster Gamble
Author: Jair Robles
Photographer: http://www.thrivemovement.com/

A few months ago through my network of friends on Facebook, I came across the trailer of a movie called THRIVE. I was impressed with the quality and brief presentation of the topics it covered. On the symbolical date of November 11, 2011, the full version of the film was released to the public through the internet. For the approximately two and hours of the film, I was glued to my computer screen and going through the emotions of excitement, admiration and hope.

I have watched many documentaries or short films that touch on controversial topics, including conspiracy theories about governments or UFO's, the corruption and deceit executed by large corporations on industries such as food, energy, health or finance, to name a few. Most of them have been revealing to me, but I always felt that they were lacking in some way, wether it was poor quality in the production, not enough research behind it or a lack of practical solutions.

With over seven years of work and more than 4.5 million dollars invested, THRIVE manages to create a very broad context which includes practically all these controversial topics and connects the dots in a clear and logical form. The whole film is supported by interviews with people who are considered experts in each area, a very comprehensive assortment of video clips and beautifully created graphics. The depth and fact-checking that is not included within the movie can be accessed on the website -www.thrivemovement.com-, which fully reveals the time, effort and vision behind this project.

SuperConsciousness spoke with creator and movie host Foster Gamble, to learn more about the minds and vision behind the — thrivemovement — as well as the reception the movie has had so far.


SuperConsciousness: It's been almost a month since the movie was launched, and I'd like to know what has been the response so far?

Foster Gamble: We've been thrilled with the response. Close to half a million people worldwide have seen it already, and the response has been over 95 percent just rave reviews. People appreciate the quality of the film, the beauty of it and the production value, but what I'm even more excited about is that people are really finding it to be coherent. The story makes sense. I actually thought that the material would be much more controversial but I think, especially, because it's all fact-checked and we've interviewed many experts directly, that there's actually very little discussion about that. Most people are spending their energy sharing it with their friends and family and coworkers, sitting down in groups and talking about what they can actually do about the situation that they've just learned a lot more of. We are thrilled with what is going on.

SC: How long ago did the idea start to develop the Thrive Movement, and what was the process for you to decide which people to interview, both for the movie and the website?

FG: The people who are in the movie and on the website are people that I consider to have important expertise in certain areas. People who have influenced me in some way or another, either by being a whistleblower and telling more about the truth than we get from the corporate media, or by being a significant thinker, activist or researcher in a particular area. That doesn’t mean at all that I agree with everything that they think or write, nor do they agree with everything that I am putting forth. But I think one of the most important skills now is to be able to listen to anyone and everyone and find what resonates as true and coherent, and then independently tie those pieces together in the story in a way that makes the most sense for each of us out of what's really going on.

In terms of what inspired me to do this, I was a filmmaker in college, and when I was graduating it was kind of assumed that I would go on to make big films in Hollywood. I found that I really wasn’t interested in that. I realized that I didn’t have anything that was important enough to say that was worth all the time, energy, money and technology that it takes to make a feature film. At the same time, as I was looking at the world that I was going into coming out from academia, I saw that we were at risk of a nuclear holocaust. We were destroying our very environment that we depend on for our life support, and the U.S. was invading Cambodia for no good reason that I could understand.

So, it was really an important moment for me, getting that we were heading in a very dangerous direction. And I didn’t see at that time a lot of people doing effective things about it and I didn’t know a way out myself. I took the opportunity to devote my life to finding out what's in the way of humanity thriving, and I committed myself that if I ever found a coherent answer to what's in the way, as well as what we can do about it, then that would be the feature film I would make. I thought it would take a few years, and here we are 41 years later, and this is finally the movie that I wanted to make all my life.

SC: I perceive that the movie is only one aspect of the whole project. After looking at the website, it has so much more information and different sections. What is the long-term vision of Thrive?

FG: First of all, we came to the realization during the 8 years that we were making this movie — really as big as the movie itself is, it is an endeavor — it ultimately was just a trailer for the website. It was to catch people's attention, to give them a coherent hologram, if you will, a low-resolution story that covers the necessary topics and shows how they tie together, but doesn’t have time to go in real depth. On the website we could take each of those topics and explore them much more deeply and talk about the vision, the dangers, the opportunities in each sector of human endeavor, as well as following the money and identifying key aspects of the solution strategies and success stories, things that people can do in their individual life to take action on these critical issues.

The last point I would make is that we see the website as a hub, as a place where the local community can come together and share information, learn more deeply but also contribute to what they're up to, help to get in touch with people who are interested in similar things, and take action in small groups, local communities, large networks across the planet. So, we really see the website as sort of our team's portal of communication to interested people across the world. We are and will be growing the website on a daily basis and adapting it as new information comes in and new technology becomes available.

SC: A large part of the content in the movie is dedicated to expose a conspiracy that has been taking place to limit humanity. Why did you choose to give so much time to this particular aspect?

FG: As my wife says in the movie, it can be uncomfortable to learn about these things, but it's like finding out you have a really tough but treatable disease. If you actually realize what is going on and then learn about it, there's a much better chance that you can cure yourself. It's the same thing with our global situation right now. People, in my observation, are so confused and afraid about what's going on, that we wanted to share the benefits of our decades of being able to take the time to ask the key questions and follow the money upstream, and find out what's really going on behind the scenes to help people save time. To take leveraged action in making obsolete the individuals and the agenda that is destroying the lives of billions of people, as well as economies and ecologies all across the planet.

SC: What is your perspective on some of the most recent events since you've made the movie, such as the “occupy” movement and what's going on in Europe with the leaders of the European countries getting together to see if they can find a solution to the financial problems they are facing?

FG: I think that they're both really important. In relation to occupy, it just moves me to tears to see the first global evolution revolution in history happening, and I salute the courage of the thousands and millions of people across the planet, in thousands of cities, who are risking a lot in terms of violence against them, in exposing themselves to the elements, and exposing their reputations to people who might not understand what they're doing. I really respect that people are taking to the streets and finally saying, "Even if I don’t fully understand what's going on, I know we're getting screwed and we're not going to take it anymore."

That's really an important turning point in human history, and I think it's one of the most humble emerging movements that I've ever seen in terms of not claiming that they know all the answers, but knowing themselves enough to not sell out to the traditional political polarities or any particular institution. To actually be seeking the principles of a universal movement based on the individual rights of every person, based on ethics and integrity in economics, in business, in how we treat the environment, and how decisions are made and so forth, I'm very excited that this is going on and it’s a fascinating thing to watch and participate in. I'm in touch with a lot of the people in the occupy movement, and many of them are using our "Thrive" movie and the website, showing it in their media tents.

I just learned yesterday that some people have been going around in a media van and projecting it upon the walls of buildings and using a large sound system to project the sound. I'm delighted to be able to offer into that global movement the information that we've gathered, and most importantly, the principles of non-violation, the principles of ethical economics that we have come across and try to portray in our film and website. It's absolutely critical, as the old systems come tumbling down, that we don’t just get trapped in creating a new authoritarian state, and that really brings me to your second question about what's going on in Europe.

From my understanding of economics, the meetings that are taking place in Europe are quite the opposite of what they portray themselves to be. The evidence seems overwhelming to me that the governments fundamentally are working for the corporatocracy, and especially for the International Central Banks. It is the representatives of the International Central Banks and their puppets in government who are meeting in Europe not to really, in my opinion, decide how to rescue the economy but to justify their action, which will basically continue to lead to the economic collapse of most of the major countries of the world because, as I portray in the film, I believe that's their agenda.

There is plenty of writing from these different people where they scoff at the notion of a nation state. They really think we're living in a corporate-owned world, and there's a lot of truth to that. I do believe that their true agenda is to inflate currencies, to create economic chaos, and then as things come tumbling down, they already are proposing — there are some clips from it in the movie — a One World Government, with a One World cashless electronic currency, so any dissident can be disabled financially at anytime funded by a One World tax that we would all now pay, whether we liked it or not, to the World Bank, and then enforced by a One World army that would be under the control of really the bankers' authoritarian state. I hope people wake up to this as rapidly as possible, and begin withdrawing their support from the governments, from the banks, and from the corporations who are destroying so many lives.

SC: One of the most common human reactions when we learn about this kind of information, understand it and get the full grasp of it, is that of anger, frustration and polarization. The movie does a very good job at the end showing people solutions, and I think this helps to channel that frustration in a creative way. Is this part of the film, is this message getting across to people? Are they grasping that aspect or are people getting caught in the emotional reaction and becoming more polarized?

FG: I appreciate the question because I am absolutely delighted with the response that we're getting to exactly what you're mentioning. People are responding to the suggestion and the need for nonviolence. I'm getting thousands of letters from across the world of people reporting that they're reconciling with their family members, the people in their workplace, and the people in their community beyond the usual right, left, liberal, conservative political polarities, and actually finding common ground in finding out what's really going on to all of us. People are proposing systems that are based on integrity, rather than just deception, fraud, counterfeit and greed, which is basically what our economic system has been running on for quite a while. I am getting letters with proposals on growing new voluntary systems based on the true honoring of the freedom of every single individual, rather than a coercive state which has the monopoly on money and force, that then turns around to tell you what to do, in service to the banks and corporations.

I'm very excited about how rapidly people are catching onto this because I think it just makes common sense. The other systems that people have proposed in the past, these collectivist systems where the good of the group is supposed to supersede the rights of the individuals, that always ends up turning into state-sponsored tyranny, that’s how it has been throughout history and it's taking a little longer here with America, but here we are. It's happening very rapidly all around us. I think people are waking up and now it's a decentralized movement that I think will be relentless. I hope it is as nonviolent as possible, except in people's own self-protection, and I'm confident that it is going to succeed.

SC: You just mentioned, and in the movie you talk about three core values: integrity, freedom and compassion. Can you expand on what these values mean to you?

FG: My sense of compassion is the ability to feel along with someone else. It doesn’t mean that if someone else has a disease you have to have the disease, or if someone else is horribly depressed that you have to be depressed, but it's allowing into your heart your sense of connection with them so that you feel that connection and are drawn to do whatever you can to help ease their suffering. In terms of integrity, for me integrity takes on a little bigger than the usual definition. And those of you who are reading this interview or who have seen the film will know more of what I'm talking about. Based on the toroidal form — this fundamental energy pattern of the universe that has become so important to me and so many scientists, inventors and philosophers across the world — one way of describing integrity from a slightly new perspective would be in terms of a true alignment with the fundamental energy patterns, with the flow of life energy.

If you know something to be true but you say it otherwise, then you're not aligned with the true flow of energy. So you move into a pattern of deception and deceit, and I think everybody has some experience of how that begins to eat away at your life. If you try to walk all bent over, very quickly your back will start to hurt, and you'll start getting the feedback that says, "Stand up and let yourself breathe because you're not aligned with the fundamental pattern of life energy, which would have you stand up in alignment with gravity." It's this sense of wholeness, whether it's having whole food, based on whole seeds rather than genetically modified distortions that damage our health, or a whole economy based on honoring the freedom of each individual to voluntarily exchange with other people, as long as they're not violating anyone.

Integrity is lining up with what is truly so and honoring its wholeness. And then freedom goes hand in hand with integrity, because freedom also is recognizing that we're all part of one vast unlimited energy field. We are all connected in that sense, and yet at the same time we're all distinct. We're like whirlpools in a stream.

It's my belief, as I start to explore in the film and go into it much deeper on the website, that if we're actually going to survive, much less thrive as a species, we have to begin by honoring the wholeness and freedom of every individual, and then not let our emerging systems violate that in any way.

SC: On the website in what is called the sector navigator — which follows the design of a Torus — at its center, you have the word world-view. I agree with its centrality because it points to our personal responsibility with the reality that we live in and how we are the creators of it. What is the relationship that you see between world-view and spiritual awareness or consciousness?

FG: I appreciate your noticing that because world-view is so central and for some people it's a little bit like fish talking about water. I don’t think fish talk much about water unless they've jumped out and looked down and go, "Oh, there's something that I was swimming in." I think for humans it's the same way with world-view. We all have a set of beliefs and understandings about who we are and how the world works, what we need to do about it, and so forth. Everyone has a slightly different one, and different world-views lead to different actions, which lead to different results. So, if I have a world-view that says there's not enough to go around, and it's okay for me to do whatever it takes to get mine, no matter what it does to other people, then I can justify wars or aggression.

If my world-view says that my gender, my species, my race, whatever, is better than someone else's, it justifies lynching, slavery, or economic domination based on unfair principles. On the other hand if my world-view says that I am infinitely interconnected with all of life, and life is equally important, then I'm going to think twice about how I treat not only my own body, but another person's body, and how I treat the species that are living in the same ecosystem as I am. I have a short film on the website that's not included in the movie, but there's a video clip that lays out a version of my studies from various consciousness researchers that I respect. It's my observation through learning from them and my own personal experience that we're all involved in kind of riding the arrow of time, or surfing the wave of consciousness, where every single experience we have teaches us through feedback of what works and doesn’t work. I think as we grow in awareness our sense of who we are expands, and our sense of how to live in harmony with all of life energy simply becomes more refined, and so we become more skilled at doing that.

The world is full of seven billion different people with differing world-views, and I think it's important that we honor everyone's world-view, and at the same time make obsolete the behavior of people whose world-view justifies violating other people. We need to learn that, in order to survive, it is through self-protection, as well as protecting one another and our loved ones and family, our species and planet.

In my observation of my own life and that of many others, as we grow in our own experience, we become more and more aware of our spiritual essence. And I believe that our spiritual essence is not something that we need to go out and learn from someone else. We can get good tips on how to discover it, but I think it's who we are, and as we learn to remove the blocks to the full expression of our spiritual essence, by learning to relax our body when it's tight, learning to let our emotions flow responsibly, so that we don’t end up having to spend all our energy suppressing a natural feeling. As we learn to open our minds but at the same time be able to focus our mind, as we learn to communicate effectively and resolve conflicts with other people, I think that what happens is our natural spiritual essence just gets to come out and play.

It gets to blossom, and when you're in the presence of someone who has done a lot of their own work and is spiritually evolved, you can feel a radiance that is welcoming, that feels safe, you feel loved just in being around a person like that. That to me is a large aspect of consciousness. One of my friends recently said, "It's not just enough to become more conscious. It really matters what you're becoming conscious of”. That's what our natural emergence of awareness has to ultimately include during this lifetime. An awareness of what's going on in the world so that we can include even things that look very painful, that would feel like bad news, that we can include all of our reality.

Part of my training for 15 years, I trained in and taught Aikido. And the first imperative of any martial artist is an accurate assessment of their own reality, because if there are three people attacking you and you only notice the two in front of you but not the one in the back, well pretty soon they're going to be hitting you over the head and you're out of the game. So, if we're being attacked either physically or, as is usually the case these days, economically, if we're under siege by a small group of people with an intention to control, if not destroy many, many lives, then that becomes to me a part of spiritual awareness. A part of our consciousness is including the whole reality, not just what's fun to think about.

SC: I think the world that we live in is a reflection of ourselves, so we can't ignore what's going on outside because in some way it reflects who we are, or else we wouldn’t be part of it?

FG: Yes. I agree that everything that's happening is happening in our consciousness and we are a part of it. And at the same time, I don’t think that you mean this, but I want to clarify for anyone reading this. I think it has been an often used trap for people to say to each other as they're seeing so many people losing their jobs and losing their homes, and people starving around the planet when there's plenty of food and energy to go around, "Well, you know, we all create our reality, so it must be our fault, so we must be some sort of mistake, some sort of evolutionary flaw." And I say in the movie I finally learned that we're not a mistake, we're just mistaken. To a great extent not only do we have to do our inner work — consciousness development is critical — but at the same time, going along with that, we need to wake up to the fact that we have been supremely duped by a small group of people for a long, long time, and we're just beginning to wake up and take our own power back out in the world of daily life as well.

SC: Of the different controversial topics in the movie, when you were doing your research, which one was the hardest for you to fully grasp or believe?

FG: The hardest one for me to grasp by far, and the most emotionally challenging, was the whole notion that there is an agenda amongst the financial elite. I'm not saying wealthy people, I'm saying a few people who actually run the whole global banking scam, and have an agenda to actually not only control everyone's life, but to actually get rid of a major portion of the population of the planet. The notion that there are people who could wake up in the morning and devote themselves to that agenda on a daily basis was really horrifying for me. For a long time I just couldn’t believe it, didn’t want to believe it, but I was really compelled to find out, and the deeper I researched the evidence, it was just completely aligned with that reality, opposed to the story that a lot of it is just coincidence and we're just not conscious enough.

Confronting the fact that some individuals do have a destructive agenda and, from my research, based on the ways they were abused and dominated in their own lives, that made them prone to selling out to an agenda to control other people in order to save themselves. That was the single hardest one for me.

I'll extend your question a little bit and say this, the one that I have found is the most challenging to talk to others about is actually the notion of true liberty. The reason is because it's such a strange juxtaposition at this point in history. As I said in the film, non-violation is the one thing that I found that everybody agreed on, everyone I've met in my life. Nobody wants to be violated involuntarily, even though there are some people who think other people should, but when you turn right around and say, "Well, if our so-called sacred democracy is based on, if our government is based on involuntary taxation, so they will come and take your hard earned money, starting in 1913, same year they brought in the Federal Reserve. If our government system is based on taking your money, whether you like it or not, and if you refuse they will come with guns and take you away or worse, then aren't we on shaky ground in terms of honoring the freedom and liberty of each individual?"

And throughout history when I studied it, every civilization that gave a small group of people the ability to tax everybody else involuntarily has always grown to a state of tyranny. And either it collapses under its own deceit or there's a revolution, but now we're at a point in history where there are the technological weapons such that revolutions on an international or global scale could literally destroy life as we know it. So, actually truly understanding and honoring liberty, and finding out what systems emerge if we don’t violate it, I think is now the evolutionary imperative of humanity if we're going to make it.

SC: I don’t know if it's a bit too soon to get a grasp, but of the different actions and solutions presented on the movie and the website, which one is getting the greatest response?

FG: The one that people are most excited about by far is the new energy technology. First of all, if there are a lot of people, including astronauts, scientists, and highly-respected people who are in alignment with what I'm saying, that this actually has been available in laboratories all over the world, and those laboratories are being shut down, often violently, then people are starting to ask themselves: "Well, you know, if these are just hoaxes, these devices, if this is just some kind of pipe dream, why are they being consistently shut down and gagged?" I think people are just using their common sense to see if this technology already exists on the planet. If it were simply allowed to be released, not only would people in a very short amount of time not having to pay for the gas in their car and the gas and electricity to fuel their home and so forth, think what a difference in your family's economics there would be with just buying a free energy device and then that's it for your energy needs.

As Steven Greer says in the movie, "Allowing these technologies to come out would be the greatest shift in the geopolitical power structure on the planet throughout human history." I would say that is the one getting the biggest response, because people are coming forward and saying: "I want to be a part of critical mass actions on that. I want to donate. I want to invest. I want to contribute my legal skills defending these people. I want to contribute to creating security around these labs." So, it's really thrilling to see what's happening in relation to the energy. That's probably the biggest response.

SC: Is there something else that you would like to say to our readers?

FG: I really appreciate the conversation, and I love what you're doing with your magazine and all of the different topics that you cover. It actually reminds me a lot of our website, of my own passion for showing the interconnection between all these different areas, and showing how they're all rooted in the development of human evolution. I guess what I would want to leave people with is that these ideas are mind-stretching, they're really interesting, some of them are controversial, but sooner or later what's really needed is action-oriented solutions, and I highly recommend that they see the movie and explore the website. Especially make sure you get to the solutions section where you can look at success stories that people are sending in on what's working around the world.

You can look at our top ten recommendations as to what you can do in your own life that won't take a lot of time and money. You can see how to balance your life and your own emotions, how to resolve conflict when you're working in cooperation with other people, and you can see how to connect with other people with your interest around the world to be effective because now is the time.

For more information please visit: www.thrivemovement.com

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